Greetings from cyberdelic space, this is Lorenzo and I'm your host here in the
 psychedelic salon and sharing the salon with me today are several people who
 either made donations directly to the salon or who bought a copy of my
 audiobook the Genesis Generation and who I think of as our virtual hosts today
 and those generous people are Brock T who actually bought a book and made a
 significant donation to the salon Gary B, Robert T, Cord M, Revlin J, C Jones and
 Michael M, long time friend and another longtime listener and regular donor
 Mark C. Also I'd like to thank XE Velvet who has given me some help in reducing
 the size of the podcast files here. As you may have noticed beginning in podcast
 261 I started using a little higher encoding rate because I was tired of
 the audio sounding so tinny and ghosting a bit but since my technique with audio
 is actually just one of hit and miss trial and error and I seem to come in on
 the error side a little more than I like. Anyway I've gone back after I've got
 this help from XE Velvet and recompiled the podcast from 261 up to the present
 and they now have significantly reduced file sizes with little noticeable
 degradation in the sound quality at least to my own tinnitus haunted ears
 that is. So thanks again for your time XE Velvet and to our fellow salonners on
 low bandwidth connections I give you my sincere apologies for those big files
 and I'll do my best to keep that from happening again. And also George, Jason
 and Laura hey please don't think that I've forgotten about you I'll definitely
 get back to you eventually but once again I've over committed on several
 projects that I'm involved in and I'm having difficulty setting enough time
 aside right now to work on the podcast but hopefully I'll be able to remedy
 that very soon. Now for today's program which is from this cassette tape that
 has been sitting on my desk for over a month now I guess you know I finally
 just couldn't wait any longer to hear it and as you've no doubt already guessed
 it's another talk by Terrence McKenna. Now this tape is also another one from
 the box of tapes that Diana Slattery sent to me sometime last year and the
 last tape that I pulled out of that box is the one I played in podcast 261
 which at the time was the earliest recording of a Terrence McKenna lecture
 that I'd come across so far. But as I was putting that tape away after doing the
 podcast another tape slipped out of the box onto the floor and that's the one
 I'm going to play for you right now and if the label on the tape is to be
 believed the talk that we're about to hear is even a little older than the
 previous McKenna talk that I played. And so thank you again Diana for sending
 these tapes for me to share with all of our friends here in cyberdelic space. Now
 the handwriting on the tape says "New and Old Maps of Hyperspace McKenna
 November 1982 First Lecture" which I take to mean that this was perhaps the first
 lecture in a weekend workshop series of some kind he was giving at the time. Now
 a few weeks ago Bruce Dahmer asked Diana about the source of these tapes but
 since many of them were given to her a long time ago she no longer can recall
 exactly who it was that gave each and every one to her so we don't really know
 where this tape came from. I do know that there are some McKenna tapes floating
 around the net that mention maps of hyperspace or something like that and
 they might be from this same lecture series that he was giving at the time I
 guess but as you'll hear in a few minutes you'll see why I decided to
 change the title a little bit for today's podcast. In any event let's now
 give a listen to this November 1982 recording of Terrence McKenna in which
 he still felt the need to introduce himself and explain his qualifications
 to the audience which I actually find quite charming. So let's now join
 Terrence and friends one day back in November of 1982 and listen to how they
 saw the world situation back then. "The big issue these days and nothing to do
 with this talk is this idea of self-reflection and of things that self
 referential things that and the paradoxes that can come out of that and
 I find Terrence McKenna a kind of self-referential person. He's spoken to
 us at least once, twice I think right and each time I have experienced an almost
 hallucinogenic experience in listening to him talk. I'm looking forward very
 much tonight to hearing him speak on dreams, hallucinogens and UFOs new and
 old maps of hyperspace. Take off." "Well thank you very much I'm very glad to be
 here. Special thanks to Ruth and Arthur in the Institute for asking me back for
 a third time. Perhaps the third time is the charm we'll see here. My name is
 Terrence McKenna and my training is basically in shamanism and botany and
 ethnography and my interest is in hallucinogenic drugs especially plant
 hallucinogens as they're used in the shamanic context and what impels me to
 speak to a room full of people like this is the belief that the major important
 point regarding hallucinogens has been largely overlooked even though we're now
 15 or 20 or 30 depending on how you count it years into the psychedelic age.
 The central point about the psychedelic experience is the content of the
 experience and this has been occluded or obfuscated by the behavioral and
 statistical and scientific methods that have been brought to bear to study
 hallucinogenic experience. So what I'm going to address this evening is
 essentially my own experience with hallucinogens and how I extrapolate it
 into the world based on its own being and other people's psychedelic
 experiences that I have interacted with.
 Before I get into that I want to clarify something about shamanism. There are two
 schools about the basis of shamanism, shamanistic experience. One is
 the older school exemplified by Mercy Eliade who holds that all narcotic
 shamanism is decadent. He prefers drumming, dancing, self-mutilation, even
 ordeal poisons all precede the efficacy of hallucinogens. He believes they are
 resorted to when the tradition is vitiated and people are grasping at
 straws. I take this to be simply a cultural bias of the school of
 anthropology that he exemplified and the time in which his work was done. Now
 Gordon Wasson has taken the opposite tack and takes the position that non-
 narcotic shamanism is decadent because it is on its way to becoming ritual. In
 other words, drumming, fasting, flagellation, all these things work to a
 degree and sometimes and they are not dependable in the same way that
 hallucinogens are. And this has created this plays on Western people's biases
 in favor of the idea that you have to work hard to get somewhere and if you
 don't work hard it isn't useful. My own experience in looking at non-narcotic
 shamanism, essentially non-narcotic shamanism in Indonesia and in Nepal, was
 that Wasson's intuition was very correct. There is a grasping after and I see that
 grasping after blending into the evolution of all higher religions. In
 other words, experientially there is only one religion and it is shamanism and
 shamanic ecstasy. But it is very difficult to maintain in agrarian
 context. Hunting and gathering societies which have much less structured social
 hierarchies seem to be able to function with the hallucinogenic experience
 embedded in them. As soon as you rise even to the level of primitive
 agriculturalists, it becomes much more important to be able to get up in the
 morning and go to work than it does to have these ecstatic experiences because
 the plants have to be tended, the fields tilled and so on. I formed these opinions
 about non-narcotic shamanism early in my career of looking at this phenomenon. I
 didn't contact narcotic shamanism until I went to the Amazon basin initially in
 1971. And although I was familiar with the hallucinogenic state from growing up
 basically in the counterculture in Berkeley, but what I found in South
 America after sifting through these various experiences is that the family
 of drugs constellated around tryptophan, specifically DMT, dimethyltryptamine and
 psilocybin, which is chemically very similar to DMT, that these compounds had
 a relationship to reality far different from all the other hallucinogens. The
 scopolamine, hyalcyamine, tropane family that you get in detour and that kind of
 thing, or LSD, which laboratory LSD does not occur in nature, but isomers of it
 occur in nature, although to be taken at hallucinogenic doses they must be taken
 at hundreds of times the amount. So that's basically the scientific, medical,
 anthropological basis of what I'm saying. A career spent in Asia and more
 recently in the Amazon looking at this phenomenon. And I want to take my
 conclusions tonight and contrast them with the modern predicament and try to
 make a model using the hallucinogenic experience, a model that makes some of
 the anxieties of being human and especially some of the anxieties of
 being human in the 20th century context more palatable. And to do that I want to
 evoke a number of abysses, a number of empty places that our minds tend
 normally to shy away from. First to invoke them and then to integrate them
 through the idea of what is conventionally called the UFO or the UFO
 experience. These abysses are basically four embedded in a fifth. The four are
 the the biological abyss that is represented by death and dying, that is
 the central crisis of every individual existence. And almost as a reflection of
 that crisis on a higher plane, the historical abyss represented by the end
 of history and the apocalypse and possibly the millennium. But in any case
 the end of history that Western religion, whether it be Judaism, Christianity or
 whatever, has appointed to our world and made basic to Western man's view of
 things and which now because of the existence of nuclear weapons and this
 kind of thing poses a terminal threat to the culture. So two abysses, the
 biological and the historical, the latter being symbolized in the
 apocalyptic crisis. A third of this could be called the psychological and this is
 represented by dreams, most in general experience, and by hallucinogens. It is
 this casting off from the moorings of the ego, making the night sea journey
 into the other and being at the mercy of, call it the collective unconscious, the
 overmind of the species, what have you. The fourth abyss, which is
 one whose emergence is unique in our time, is the actual physical abyss which
 surrounds this planet for light years in all directions. Because suddenly now,
 because of our level of technology and scientific mapping, we realize that
 it is there and we realize that it is a source of our cosmic loneliness and we
 realize that it presents an immense challenge of the sort we like to accept
 as a Western culture, challenges of energy, engineering and distance. So these
 are the four abysses, the abyss of space, the abyss of death, the abyss of the
 psychedelic experience and the abyss of dying. And these four general categories
 have to be seen embedded in a somewhat subtler kind of abyss, which is the abyss
 of the unspeakable. In other words, that language, which is the primary tool of
 cognition of the species, casts nets against these other gulfs and comes away
 with different kinds of maps. But you cannot put much trust in these
 maps unless you've carried out a thorough analysis of language. And once
 you've done that, for sure you will not put much trust in any of these maps,
 because the thinness of the web on which it all is hung will be readily apparent.
 Okay. It's my assumption whenever I am confronted with opposites is to try to
 unify them, to create a coincidencia positorum, as was done in alchemy, to not
 force the system to closure, but to try and leave the system open enough so that
 the differences can resonate and become complementary rather than antithetical.
 So I would like to unify here not two dualisms, but these four opposed, these
 pairs. You could think of them as the quadripartite elements of a kind of
 mandala. The means to unifying that mandala is integration of the psychedelic
 experience, specifically, I'm going to make the assumption, specifically the
 psilocybin or tryptamine experience. And what it appears to be is something which
 is much more assimilable to the science fiction metaphor of a parallel universe
 than it is to the Freudian metaphor of the repression of desire, or even the
 Jungian metaphor of a collective species-wide memory and experience bank.
 It is much more, I think, of the character of a parallel continuum. And
 in order to erect the intellectual edifice of the past thousand years,
 this possibility has had to be ignored, much in the way that you would apply
 Occam's razor to a situation and just say, "Well, we will not admit the more
 complex phenomenon because we should form a theory that is true to the
 simplest phenomena first and then build out from it." And this has worked in a
 demonic kind of way, in the sense that we have taken command of the atomic
 world, which is a very simple world compared, for instance, to the variables
 that you meet in sociology or biology. But at the cost of formulating theories
 about how the world is put together that nowhere come tangential to experience. So
 we have a bizarre situation where our best models of reality that are kept for
 us by the priesthood of science are like exhibits in a museum because they cannot
 be mapped on to the simple fact of individual experience. Shamanism, on the
 other hand, is this worldwide, since Paleolithic times, tradition which says
 that you must make your own experience the centerpiece of any model of the
 world that you build. No amount of readings from meters, whether they're
 metering cyclotrons or any other kind of instrument, are going to satisfy you. Once
 you understand that, then what the task becomes is one of making sense of these
 metaphors, so-called, or myths, so-called, that are the pre-Western, pre-print,
 pre-literate mappings of the world. An example of how this problem distorts
 other problems is the problem of extraterrestrial contact, which is... the way
 science presents the problem of extraterrestrial contact is that we are
 alone and that to assuage our cosmic loneliness we should build ever larger
 radio telescopes and million-channel signal analyzers and sift the radio
 noise coming from the stars and eventually, if a signal is found, an
 immense philosophical turning point will have occurred and we will then place
 ourselves in the context of the cosmos. This is actually a red herring kind of
 argument because outside of the highly technical Western societies that have
 evolved in the last 300 years, people have been talking to the other for... since
 man began. Angels, demons, fairies, sprites, elves, all of this is as phenomenologically
 a part of human experience as, we'll say, birds of paradise, which I'm sure none of
 you have ever had anything to do with, but believe inflexibly that such
 creatures exist because it is allowed by the experts that they exist. What
 psilocybin focuses as a problem that these other hallucinogens do not is it
 allows a dialogue with the other that is full of give-and-take. In other words,
 there are entities in the hallucinogenic world that psilocybin and DMT and a few
 other not well-known or widely distributed plant hallucinogens induce.
 I think it was William Blake who said, "The truth cannot be told so as to be
 understood without being believed." And this is the kind of information that is
 coming through the psilocybin experience. It is information which you have to
 believe it. You have to believe it because it has this ring of authenticity.
 It is the logos. It is the word somehow. And what is being said is that our
 alienation, and this word is interesting, alienation, our alienation from ourselves
 has caused us to set up a number of straw men that are keeping us from
 building actually a mature model of how the universe really works. The content of
 the dialogue with the other is a content that indicates that man's horizons are
 infinitely bright. That death is in fact, well, as Thomas Vaughan put it,
 "The body is the placenta of the soul." And this fact has not yet been assimilated
 because it runs counter to Western reductionist materialist empiricism. But
 this idea that the body is placenta to the soul is not an object of faith or a
 dogma. It's a program for activity. The activity that it implies should be
 undertaken is a familiarization with the soul. And the soul has been banned from
 Western thinking about the self for nigh on 400 years, at least in leading circles.
 But I take this concept very seriously and I think if any of you are familiar
 with the literature of alchemy, alchemy is about the generation of a psychic
 construct, a wholeness, a thing which has many properties, which is paradoxical,
 which is both mind and matter, which can do anything. This is the last gasp of the
 soul before it submerged completely. In other words, it became trapped in an
 association with sonic matter in the last historical epoch before it
 disappeared completely from Western consciousness. Psychedelic drugs,
 especially psilocybin, allow a searchlight to be thrown on these deeper
 levels of the psyche, as Jung correctly stated, but it is not a museum of
 archetypes or psychic constructs as he seemed to assume. It is a frontier of
 wholeness into which any person so motivated and so courageous as to wish
 to do it can go and leave the mundane plane far behind. In other words, it is a
 dimension of vertical gain that is real and is present in all of our lives and
 that we do not acknowledge except as an anomaly because we have been told that
 it's an anomaly. We have been told that these perceptions have to be devalued.
 The result of this is to so distort the psychic life of the species in the
 present historical context that we have this UFO disease, which is essentially a
 rupture into three-dimensional space of this archetype of wholeness, and it
 haunts time like a ghost, and it haunts human experience in the 20th century
 because it is a symbol of alienation, and the word alien has in fact come to
 be applied to this thing. It is alien. It comes from the stars. It is totally
 non-human. It has great potential for mankind, but it can barely be Englished
 at all, and actually what it is is the self in the form in which it is most
 accessible to the ego given the ego's programming with all the scientific
 garbage about the density of life in the universe, the distance to the stars, the
 probability of chemical evolution occurring here and there and yonder. It
 is, in other words, something which in order not to alarm us has disguised
 itself as an extraterrestrial being, but is in fact the collectivity of the human
 psyche signaling a profound historical crisis. I talked about this before. I
 talked about the danger of succumbing to belief in UFOs because of the damage it
 did to free will, and that yes, the UFO is making war on science because
 science has created such a masculine overbalance in the intellectual life of
 the species that this automatic mechanism has been triggered. A history-
 stopping archetype is being released into the skies of this planet, and if we
 are not careful it will halt all intellectual inquiry in the same way
 that the Christos archetype halted intellectual inquiry in the Hellenistic
 age. I don't want to go into this too deeply, but it's clear to me that
 Hellenistic science was destroyed by the Christos archetype because the
 Democritan atomists and materialists who ran Roman civilization had no
 patience whatsoever with this superstition that was being circulated
 among the servants about a man who rose from the dead and all that went with it,
 but before they knew what had happened their whole civilization was in ruin
 because the archetype had frozen the forward thrust of this masculine
 dominant, ethically depotentiated, technologically obsessed, slave-built
 society, and for a thousand years, hydrostatics, mathematics, metallurgy, you
 name it, that was nothing. Only the words of one Galilean radical could occupy the
 time of any intellectual successfully. Okay, we have now, 2,000 years later,
 fought our way somewhat clear of that problem, but the problem it solved, which
 is the problem of this masculine overbalance and this obsessive
 technological thrust, this dehumanizing thrust, has reached an even more intense
 peak and now appears the flying saucer with the capacity of undoing that by
 again destroying science, by simply being a miracle. That's all that is required to
 wreck science, is a miracle visible worldwide, and this, because scientists
 say that that can't happen. Consequently, if it does happen, their house is in real
 disorder. So I touched on this before, any of you who heard me. Tonight I want to
 talk more about the flying saucer, not from the point of view of the people who
 are going to get the whammy when it appears unbidden, but from the point of
 view of an insider. In other words, one can do more than simply say, "Oh yes, I
 understand what this is. The overmind is visibly manifest in the skies of Earth
 in order to skew history toward an eschatological mode that will stifle
 inquiry in order, basically, to preserve the species from extinction." But a mature
 humanity could get into a place where we no longer required these metaphysical
 spankings from messiahs and flying saucers that come along every thousand
 years or so to mess up the mess that has been created and to try and send people
 off on another tack. And the way to do this is to look at the abysses that
 confront man as species and individuals and try to unify them. And I think that
 psilocybin offers the way out because it allows a dialogue with the overmind that
 is not, you won't read about it in Scientific American or anywhere else. You
 will carry it out. And the carrying out of this dialogue will place, will
 essentially eschatologize you as a person and lift you out of the
 historical context. It's like Stephan Dedalus said in Ulysses, "History is the
 nightmare that I am trying to awake from." Well, I would turn it around a bit and
 say, "History is what I am trying to go to sleep from in order to get away from
 it." In other words, the dream is eschatological. The dream is zero time and
 outside of history. Escape into the dream. Escape, a key thing charged against these
 drugs, that they are for escapists. I think the people who make this charge
 hardly dare dream to what degree they are escapists. Escape. Escape from the
 planet, from death, and from the problem, if possible, of the unspeakable. This, so
 now, to say a bit about death and dying. If you leave aside the last 300 years of
 historical experience as it was handled in Europe and America, and examine the
 phenomenon of death, the doctrine of the soul in all its ramifications,
 Neoplatonic, Christian, dynastic Egyptian, etc. I'm sure you're all familiar with
 some or all of these. What you get is the idea that there is a light body or a
 thing, an intellect, that is somehow mixed up in the body during life and at
 death or at dying is involved in a crisis in which these two envelopes
 separate and one loses its res and detra and falls into dissolution, metabolism
 stops, and the other one goes we know not where. Perhaps nowhere, if you believe it
 doesn't exist, but then you have the problem of trying to explain life, which
 by the way, though science makes great claims and has done very well in systems
 of nuclear particles and even simple atomic systems, the idea that science can
 make any statement about what life is or where it comes from is preposterous.
 Science has nothing to say about how you can decide to close your hand into a
 fist and it happens. This is utterly outside the realm of scientific
 explanation because what we see in that phenomenon is mind as a first cause.
 In other words, we see matter, it's an example of telekinesis. Matter is caused by mind
 to move. So science, we need not fear the sneers of science in the matter of
 the fate or origin of the soul. As I say, my thrust into this has
 always been the psychedelic experience, but I've been thinking recently more
 about dreams because dreams are a much more generalized form of experience of
 the hyper dimension or the mode in which life and mind seem to be embedded.
 And looking at dreams and looking at what people with shamanic traditions say
 about dreams, you come to the realization that experientially for those people it
 is a parallel continuum. The shaman accesses it with hallucinogens or other
 things which I mentioned, but most efficaciously with hallucinogens. But
 everybody else accesses it through dreams. Now Freud's idea about dreams was, I forget
 the German term, but he called them day residues. He always felt that you could
 trace the content of the dream down to a distortion of something that happened
 during the day or during waking time. I think that it's much more useful to try
 and make actually a kind of geometric model of consciousness and to take
 seriously the idea of a parallel continuum and to say that the mind and
 the body are embedded in the dream and the dream is a kind, not a kind of, but a
 higher-order spatial dimension. So that in sleep you are released into the real
 world of which the world of waking is only the surface and in a very
 literal sense it's the surface. It's the surface in a geometric sense that there
 is a plenum and recent experiments in quantum physics tend to back this up.
 There is a holographic plenum of information. Information, all information
 is everywhere. Information that is not here is nowhere and that information
 stands outside of historical time. It's like Plato said, time is the moving
 image of eternity. Eternity, it does not have a temporal existence, even the kind
 of temporal existence where you say it always existed. It does not have temporal
 duration of any sort. It is eternity. We are not primarily biology with
 mind emerging as a kind of iridescence, a kind of epiphenomenon at the higher
 levels of organization of biology. We are in fact hyperdimensional objects of
 some sort which cast a shadow into matter and the matter, the shadow in
 matter is the body and at death what happens basically is that the shadow
 withdraws or the thing which casts the shadow withdraws and metabolism ceases
 and matter which had been organized into a dissipative structure in a very
 localized area sustaining itself against entropy by cycling material in and
 degrading it and expelling it, that whole phenomenon ceases but the thing
 which ordered it is not affected by that and when I make these declarative
 statements I'm making them from the point of view of this shamanic tradition
 which touches all these higher religions. Everything basically except
 rationalism holds to some version of what I'm saying. So then the psychedelic,
 the dream state and the psychedelic state acquire great import because they,
 there is then a task to life and the task to life is to become familiar with
 this thing which is causing being and to be familiar with it at the moment of
 passing. In other words the metaphor is used by several traditions of a vehicle,
 an after-death vehicle, an astral body, something like that and shamanism and
 certain yogas, Taoist yoga, claim very clearly that the purpose is to
 familiarize yourself with this after-death body in life and then the
 act of dying will not create confusion in the psyche. You will recognize what is
 happening, you will know what to do and you will make the clean break and there
 does seem to be the possibility of a problem in dying. In other words what I'm
 telling you is not that you're condemned to eternal life, I'm saying it's a
 possibility that you can muff it through ignorance. In other words the at the
 moment of death there is a kind of a separation, it's like birth, it's the
 metaphor is trivial but perfect. It is, there is a possibility of damage, of
 incorrect activity. Again William Blake who said that as you start into the
 spiral there is the possibility of falling from the golden track into
 eternal death but it is only a crisis of a moment, it's a crisis of passage and
 the whole purpose of shamanism and of life correctly lived is to strengthen
 the soul and to strengthen the relationship to the soul so that this
 this passage can be cleanly made. Okay this is not anything earth-shaking or
 it's well known, it's a traditional position actually but now I want to
 assimilate one more abyss into this model, one less familiar to us as
 rationalists but well familiar to us just one level deeper in the psyche as
 Christians and Westerners and that is this idea that the world will end, that
 there will be a final time, that there is not only the crisis of the death of the
 individual, there is the crisis of the death of the species. What this seems to
 be about is that from the time that there is an awareness of the existence
 of the soul we'll say circa 50,000 BP until the resolution of the apocalyptic
 potential there's something like 50,000 years which in biological time is only a
 moment but it is the entire span of history times five. In that period
 everything hangs in the balance because it is a mad rush from monkeydom to
 starship hood and in the leap across those 25,000 years energies are released,
 religions are shot off like sparks, philosophies evolve and die, science
 arises, magic arises, all of these things which control power with greater and
 lesser degrees of ethical constancy appear. There is the possibility as in
 the metaphor of dying there is the possibility of mucking it up, of aborting
 the species transformation into a hyperspatial intellect. We are now, there
 can be no doubt that we are now in the final seconds of that crisis, a crisis
 which involves the end of history, the departure from the planet, the triumph
 over death and the release of the individual from matter. We are in fact
 closing distance with the most profound event a planetary ecology can encounter
 which is the freeing of life from the dark chrysalis of matter. The old
 metaphor of psyche as the butterfly is a species wide metaphor. We must undergo a
 metamorphosis in order to survive the momentum of the historical forces
 already in motion. Well if you know anything about evolutionary biology you
 know that man is considered to be an un-evolving species, in other words
 sometime in the last hundred thousand years with the invention of culture the
 the biological evolution of man ceased and evolution became a cultural
 phenomenon. Tools, languages and philosophies began to evolve but the
 human somatite began to remain the same and so we are very much like
 people a long time ago. But technology is the real skin of our species. Man
 correctly seen in the context of the last 500 years is an extruder of a
 technological shell. We take in matter that has a low degree of organization,
 we put it through mental filters and we extrude Lindisfarne Gospels, space
 shuttles, all of these things. This is what we do. We're like coral animals
 embedded in a technological reef of extruded psychic objects and the tool is
 the flying saucer or the soul exteriorized in three-dimensional space.
 It's as James Joyce said, it's the problem of how man may be dirigible.
 And how man may be dirigible is basically by turning himself inside out.
 In other words the body must become an interiorized hologrammatic object
 embedded in a solid-state hyperdimensional matrix which is
 eternal so that man wanders through Elysium in his body. This is a kind of
 Islamic paradise that I'm putting out here. Wanders through Elysium in his body
 experiencing all the pleasures of the flesh but not realizing that he is a
 holographic projection of a solid-state matrix that is micro-miniaturized,
 superconducting and nowhere to be found. It is part of the plenum and we, all
 history is about producing prototypes of this situation with greater and greater
 closure toward the ideal so that airplanes, automobiles, condominiums, space
 shuttles, space colonies, starships of the hardware, speed of light, spin-dizzy
 drive type, all of these are as Mercile Yod says, self-transforming images of
 flight that speak volumes about man's aspiration to self-transcendence so that
 we are, our wish, our salvation and our only hope basically is to end the
 historical crisis by becoming the alien, by ending alienation, by recognizing the
 alien as the self in fact, recognizing the alien as an overmind which holds all
 the physical laws of the planet in tact in the same way that you hold an idea
 intact in your mind. In other words, all these givens which are thought to be so
 written adamantine are actually merely the moods of the God, if you will, which
 we happen to be and the whole thing about human history is recovering this
 piece of lost information so that man may be dirigible or again to quote
 Finnegan's Wake, "Moycane is the red light district of Dublin, here in Moycane
 we flop on the seamy side but up Niant Prospector you sprout all your worth
 and you woof your wings so if you want to be phoenixed come and be parked." It's
 that simple, you see, but it takes courage to be parked when the grim reaper draws
 near, a blessing in disguise, Joyce calls it. So to me what psychedelics point out
 and where I think society will go once they are integrated to the point where
 large groups of people can plan research programs without fear of being
 persecuted for it is it models the after-death state. It may do more than
 model it, it may essentially reveal the nature of it that our mind, what we each
 call our mind, can be, the modalities of appearance and understanding can be
 shifted so that we see it within the context of the one mind and then
 problems like the existence of extraterrestrials and that kind of thing
 become trivial because the one mind that I'm talking about contains all
 experiences of the other. There is not the Newtonian universe deployed
 throughout the parsecs and cilia cosms of physical space and the interior
 mental universe. They are the same thing. We perceive them as unresolvable
 dualisms because of what is called, or what I call, a code, the quality of the
 code, meaning the language we use to discuss this problem has these built-in
 dualisms. This is a problem of language. All codes have code qualities except the
 logos. The logos is perfect and therefore it partakes of no quality
 other than itself but so long as you deal, so long as you map with something
 other than the logos there will be code qualities and the dualism built in to
 our language makes the death of the species, the death of the individual,
 these seem to be opposed things. Likewise the problems biology and by
 extrapolation exobiology pose by examining the physical universe versus
 the angel and demon haunted world that depth psychology is reporting on is again
 set up as a dichotomy. All that is needed to go beyond an academic
 understanding of what I have been saying is to have the experience of this
 tryptamine induced ecstasy. In other words, for reasons which I leave to my
 brother, the tryptamine molecule has this unique property of releasing the
 structured self into the over self and each person who has that experience
 undergoes a mini apocalypse, a mini entry and mapping into hyperspace. For society
 to change in this direction nothing is necessary except for this experience to
 become an object of general concern. Now what I'm not saying everybody should
 rush out and take mushrooms, in case you thought that's what I was saying, but I am
 saying that these fields of information which I don't know if you're like me but
 my experience of these things is basically literary. I read Plotinus, I
 read Heraclitus, I read all this stuff and I try to integrate it intellectually
 but it is a plane of experience that is directly accessible and the role that we
 that each of us plays in relationship to it determines how we will present
 ourselves in the final transformation that this hints of. In other words, in
 this theory there is a kind of teleological bias, there is a belief
 that there is a hyper object called the overmind or God or what have you that
 casts a shadow into time and history is the experiencing of this shadow and as
 you draw closer and closer to the source of the shadow the paradoxes intensify,
 the rate of change intensifies, because what is happening is that this
 hyper object is beginning to ingress into three-dimensional space. One way of
 thinking of it is that the dream and the waking world and the world of the dream
 begin to become one so that the school of flying saucer criticism which has
 said flying saucers are hallucinations was in a certain sense correct in that
 the laws which operate in the dream, the laws which operate in hyperspace can at
 times operate in three-dimensional space when the barrier between the two modes
 becomes weak and then you have these curious experiences sometimes called
 psychotic breaks, sometimes called whatever, but which always have a
 tremendous impact on the person they're happening to because there seems to be
 an exterior component that could not possibly be mental. This is what I'm
 talking about is when coincidences begin to build and build and build until you
 finally say you know I don't know what is going on but it's preposterous to
 claim that this is a psychological phenomenon because these are changes in
 the world what Jung called synchronicity and made a certain model of but what it
 really is is that an alternative physics is beginning to impinge on reality and
 it is the physics of light essentially. Light is composed of photons, photons
 have no antiparticle. This means that there is no dualism in the world of
 light and if you try to imagine the experience from the point of view of a
 thing made of light you realize I'm sure you're all familiar with the conventions
 of relativity which say that time slows down as you approach the speed of light
 but what is never said about that is that if you move at the speed of light
 there is no time whatsoever. There is an experience of time zero. So if you
 imagine for a moment yourself to be made of light or in possession of a vehicle
 which can move at the speed of light there you can traverse from any point in
 the universe to any other with a subjective experience of time zero. This
 means that you cross to Alpha Centauri time zero but the amount of time that
 has passed in the relativistic universe is whatever it is four and a half years
 but if you move that very great distances if you cross 250,000 light
 years across to Andromeda you still have an experience of time zero. The only
 experience of time that you have is a subjective time that is created by your
 own mentation but in relationship to the so-called Newtonian universe there is no
 time whatsoever. You exist in eternity. You have become eternal. Now of course
 the universe is aging at a staggering rate all around you in this situation
 but you perceive it as a fact of the universe the way we perceive Newtonian
 physics as a fact of this universe. So you have essentially translated into
 this eternal mode that I mentioned. Time as the moving image of eternity. You are
 then away from the moving image. You exist in this static mode. I believe that
 this is what technology pushes toward and that there is no opposition
 between you know ecological balance and the people who want to leave the planet
 and the hyper technologists and the hyper naturalists. All of these are red
 herrings. The real historical entity which is becoming imminent is the human
 soul and it is the monkey body has served to carry to this moment of
 release and it will always serve as the focus of self-image but it will exist in
 a world made by the human imagination. This is what the return to the father,
 the transcendence of Physis, the rising out of the Gnostic universe of iron that
 traps the light, all these metaphors. This is what it means. It means release into
 the human imagination. Very shortly a as it were a dry run for this phenomenon
 will take place in the form of space exploration and space colonies because
 there the coral reef like animal called man that has extruded technology all
 over the surface of the earth will be freed at last from the constraints of
 anything but his own imagination and the limitations of materials so that for
 instance the earliest space colonies of course there will be an effort to
 duplicate the ecosystem of Hawaii and this and that you know these like
 exercises and ecological understanding to prove you know what you're doing but
 as soon as this is under control we will be released into the realm of art which
 is what we have always striven for we will make our world all of our world and
 the world we came from will be maintained as a garden but what Iliad
 indicated as these endless metaphors of self-transforming flight will be
 realized momentarily as the technology of the space colony what is lining up
 right behind that of course is the fact that the transition from earth to space
 is a staggeringly tight genetic filter a much tighter filter than any previous
 frontier ever has been even the the filter the genetic demographic filter
 represented by the new world it said that you know the vitality of America is
 because only the the dreamers and the pioneers and the schemers made the trip
 across this will be even more true of of the transition to space and the
 technological conquest of space will set the stage then for the interiorization
 of that metaphor and the conquest of inner space and the collapse of the
 state vectors associated with this technology deployed in Newtonian space
 and then man will have become more than dirigible I think a break here in order
 things and then there seem to be a lot of questions so I'll throw it open for
 questions but before I do that I I mentioned this book the invisible
 landscape that my brother and I wrote and I'll say just a bit about it because
 it relates to what's been said I spoke in general terms about the the
 technology which would interiorize the body exterior eyes the soul spoke of it
 as a long-term technological goal meaning visible within the next hundred
 or so years following on to space travel that sort of thing but what the
 invisible landscape is about is an effort to short-circuit that chronology
 and to actually in a certain sense force the issue it's the story or rather it's
 the intellectual underpinnings of the story of an expedition to the Amazon by
 my brother and myself and several other people in 1971 in which my brother
 formulated an idea that involved using harming and harmony these are compounds
 which occur in banisteriopsis copy which is the woody vine that is the basis for
 ayahuasca and ayahuasca is one of these planned hallucinogens that releases you
 into this dimension I'm discussing an effort to use harming in conjunction
 with the human voice in a what we called the experiment at la churrera which was
 basically that you can take it as very loose science or very tight magic but it
 was it was an effort to use sound to charge the molecular structure of these
 harming molecules metabolizing in vivo in the body in such a way that they
 would bind preferentially into certain molecular structures our candidate at
 the time was DNA I think Frank Barr has convinced me that there's as great a
 likelihood that it involves binding into melanin bodies is as likely a
 possibility as that it involves DNA but it involves binding into a molecular
 site where information is stored so that this information is then broadcast in
 essentially in the mind in such a way that you begin to get a readout on the
 structure of the soul in other words this was an effort to use a kind of
 shamanic technology to bell the cat if you will to hang a superconducting
 telemetric psychedelic device on the overmind so that there would be a
 continuous readout of information from this dimension and the success or
 failure of this you may judge by reading the book because the first half of the
 book describes the experiment the theoretical underpinning of the
 experiment the second half of the book describes the theory of the structure of
 time that derived from the bizarre mental states that followed upon the
 experiment I don't claim that we succeeded I just claim that our theory
 of what happened is better than any theory any of our critics have been able
 to bring forward but whether we succeeded or not that kind of thinking
 points the way in other words when I say when I speak of the technology of
 building the starship I imagine it will be done with voltages far below the
 voltage of a common flashlight battery this is after all where the voltage is
 where the most interesting phenomenon go on in nature thought is that kind of
 phenomenon metabolism is that kind of phenomenon so I think that you know an
 aquarium science or a science that places the psychedelic experience at the
 center of its program of investigation should be should move toward a practical
 realization of this goal the goal of eliminating the barrier between the ego
 and the over self so that the ego can perceive itself as an expression of the
 over self so that the anxiety of being cast into matter of apparently facing a
 tremendous biological crisis in the form of death of apparently facing a
 tremendous physical cry species crisis in the form of the apocalypse the crisis
 of limitation in physical space by being planet bound all of these things can be
 obviated by cultivating the soul basically by practicing shamanism using
 these tryptamine drugs that I've described and my plea to scientists
 administrators and politicians who may be listening to my voice is to look
 again at psilocybin to not lump it with the other psychedelics to realize that
 it is a phenomenon unto itself and it has an enormous potential for
 transforming mankind not simply transforming the people who take it but
 it is like an art movement or a mathematical understanding or a
 scientific breakthrough it holds the possibility of transforming the entire
 society simply by virtue of the information that is coming through this
 is a source of gnosis and the voice of gnosis has been silenced in the Western
 mind for at least a thousand years I like to think that when these
 Franciscans and Dominicans arrived in Mexico in the 16th century they
 immediately set about stamping this thing out the Indians called it Tia
 nonna cottle the flesh of the gods well the Catholic Church has a monopoly on
 theophagia and was not pleased by this particular approach to what was going on
 now 300 400 whatever it is years after that initial contact I think that the
 that Eros which retreated from Greece and retreated from Europe with the rise
 of Christianity retreated to the mountains of the Sierra Mazateca
 essentially and then was finally pushed into seclusion there it now reemerges in
 Western consciousness and our institutions our epistemology all of
 these things are so shakily founded and so misconstrued that with the help of
 shamanically inspired personalities we can release this thing once again I mean
 the logos can be unleashed once again and the voice that spoke to Plato and
 Parmenides and Heraclitus that voice can speak again in the minds of modern
 people and when it does the alienation will be ended because we will have
 become the alien and this is this is the promise that is held out and I realized
 that it may seem to some a nightmare vision but it is all historical changes
 of immense magnitude have had that quality because they propel people into
 a completely new world are there any questions yes
 many ways of discovering that that's the inner reality the ultimate reality you
 want me to comment on that yeah I agree with you that this is a strongly held
 position I always in my explorations have recourse to my own experience and
 I've not had good luck with any of these other techniques I spent time in India
 practiced yoga scoured the various Rishi's Roshi's geishas and gurus that
 Asia had to offer I believe they must be talking about something but it in my
 experience it is so pale and so far removed from the actual closure with the
 intense tryptamine ecstasy that I don't really know what to make of it and I am
 willing to believe these things are possible I just must be a very grounded
 person well Tantra for instance can claims to be that's what Tantra means
 is the shortcut path and certainly they might be on the right track sexuality
 orgasm these things do have tryptamine esque qualities to them but the main
 thing about psilocybin and I stress it over all these other hallucinogens is
 information immense amounts of information in my experience a
 hallucinogen like LSD the hallucinations seem largely to be somehow related to
 the structure of the optic nerve or they are essentially trivial they are
 geometric patterns shifting lights but in less synergized by another drug the
 classic psychedelic experience that started at all with Huxley and those
 people was I believe 200 micrograms of LSD and 30 milligrams of mescaline and I
 would believe that that would deliver a visionary experience rather than an
 experience of hallucinations and the difference is what psilocybin shows you
 is not colored lights and moving grids it shows you places jungles cities
 machines books architectonic form of incredible complexity just click click
 click there is no possibility that this could be construed as noise of any sort
 it is in fact the most highly ordered visual information that you ever
 experienced much more highly ordered than the visual experience I'm having at
 this moment of this room
 information in the form of a lot of data that is no sense
 I mean there could be you certainly must be something more important well yeah no
 no I think I talked about this last time that philo judaeus talks about what he
 calls a more perfect logos he says a more perfect logos would be beheld rather
 than heard in other words the formulation you get in the gospel of
 John in principio adverbium adverbium caro factum s in the beginning was the
 word yes it was the word in the beginning but this is a strange kind of
 word it is a word which is visually beheld and the language in which the
 gnosis communicates is a language of visual forms such that there is no
 ambiguity about meaning because there is no recourse to a dictionary of agreed
 upon signification it is purely beheld this is why it's very hard one of the
 main problems of psychedelic drugs is to bring back information because it is
 hard to English it and the reason it's hard to English it is because it's like
 trying to make a three-dimensional rendering of a fourth dimensional object
 only through the medium of sight can the true modality of this logos be perceived
 that's why it's so interesting and I should have maybe talked more about it
 that psilocybin and ayahuasca which is this aboriginal drug which uses
 tryptamine to make it run is there's a telepathic component which is there is a
 shared state of mind because the unfolding hallucination is shared in
 complete silence and you know it's very hard to prove this to a scientist but if
 four people are having this experience you know one person can like monologue
 it and then cease the monologue and another person will take it up everyone
 is seeing the same thing and this it is the quality of being visual information
 to answer your question Arthur that seems to make this logos believable in
 the way that I quoted William Blake when he said the truth cannot be told and you
 do believe that you do believe it I was going to say that you see here see and
 we say QED after the demonstration in geometry but the Hindus say behold now the seeing
 involved there I wouldn't think of as visual but does get the word seeing a
 name seeing you somehow your whole whatever I wouldn't say mind your being
 resonates I like to use the term recognize you see that I say this is the
 same thing as the other thing and I don't know whether it's seen but it is
 seeing is a good word but it isn't I wouldn't call it visual no well it isn't
 exactly visual I mean again to quote philo judaeus on the logos he says that
 the logos goes from a thing heard to a thing seen without ever crossing through
 a quantized transition point and yet this seems impossible it seems a logical
 impossibility because it is either one or the other and yet when you actually
 have the experience you see aha it is as though thought which is heard the
 thought which is heard becomes more and more intense until finally its intensity
 is such that with there being no jump or glitch you now are beholding it in the
 three-dimensional visual space and you command it and this is very typical of
 suicide yes I was wondering if you could kind of be more descriptive in that
 regard and the other thing that's the star is the effects of this type of
 experience especially over say a prolonged period of time on the body and
 the body's as an energy system and how do you how do you balance that or how
 do you counteract possible negative effects okay well I'll take the last
 part first which is about the body I'm not an abuser it takes me a long time to
 assimilate each experience and I feel you know I never have lost my respect
 for it I mean I really feel dread is one of the emotions that I always feel as I
 approach it because I have no faith that my sails won't be ripped this time I
 always make the metaphor you know it's like sailing out onto a dark ocean in
 your little skiff and you know you may view the moon rising serenely over the
 calm black water or something the size of a freight train may roar right
 through your scene and leave you clutching at an oar and I don't know
 astrology is maybe helpful in figuring out when to go and when not to go but
 there needs to be a way to figure out when to go and when not to go now your
 question about the dialogue I I mean this very literally it speaks to you you
 speak to it it says things I don't know how many of you have read my the book
 that my brother and I wrote under pseudonyms called psilocybin the magic
 mushroom growers guide but in the introduction there there's a rap which
 is all about I am old 50 times older than thought in your species and I came
 from the stars and well that's verbatim you know I just was writing it furiously
 and sometimes it's very human I mean my approach to it is Hasidic I rave at it
 it raves at me we argue about what it's gonna cough up and what it isn't and I
 say well look you know I'm the grower you can't hold back on me and it says
 well but if I showed you if I showed you the flying saucer for five minutes you
 would figure out how it works and I said well you know come through I remember
 once I asked it what was it it has these many manifestations sometimes it's like
 Dorothy sometimes it's like a very Talmudic sort of pawnbroker and I asked
 it one time what are you doing on earth and it said well you know you're a
 mushroom you live cheap it's very this was a quiet neighborhood till the
 monkeys got out of control
 I can understand you know at least in my own way you know how this idea about
 over consciousness or you know casting a shadow and that our psychedelic
 experience or dream experience has to do with getting in touch with that but you
 said that I'm not really positive about this this is why I need some
 clarification is that in some sense that
 that those brief experiences that something about that our experience was
 in order to get back there and that was the reason for us to be see well I think
 that this object that as a friend of mine said history is the shockwave of
 eschatology in other words we are living in a very unique moment ten or twenty
 thousand years long where this immense transition is happening and the object
 at the end of and beyond history which is the human species transformed into
 this eternal superconducting over mine spacecraft thing is casting a shadow
 back through time and all religion all philosophy all wars pogroms
 persecutions are because people do not get the message right and that's because
 there is both the forward-flowing kazooistry of being causal determinism
 and the interference pattern that is formed against that by the backward
 flowing fact of this eschatological hyper object throwing its shadow across
 the landscape so we exist there is a great deal of noise this situation
 called history is totally unique it will only last for a moment it began a moment
 ago it will only last for a moment but in that moment there is like this
 tremendous burst of static as the monkey goes to godhood and there is this
 crossing of the the I don't like to call it the kazooistry but the efficacy of
 the eschaton this final eschatological object and the forward flow of entropic
 circumstance does that get it for you maybe you know thinking kind of like
 which came first are you saying the chicken or the egg are you saying that
 this over consciousness has something to do with oh well I'm certainly saying
 that life is necessary that life is that we it is not the idea that we are have
 been skewed on to a siding called organic existence and that our actual
 place is in eternity no there is something about this is a very
 important part of the cycle it is it is a filter remember I mentioned that I
 thought that there was the possibility of extinction there was the possibility
 of falling into Faisal forever and so in that sense the metaphor of the fall is
 valid there is a spiritual obligation there is a task to be done it isn't
 though simply something as simple-minded as following a set of somebody else's
 rules it's that the noetic enterprise is a primary obligation of being in this
 circumstance and your salvation is linked to it because if you do and not
 everyone has to read alchemical texts or study superconducting biochemistry to
 make the transition most people make it naively by thinking clearly about the
 present at hand but we and I we are intellectuals trapped in a world of too
 much information innocence is gone for us we cannot we cannot expect to cross
 the rainbow bridge through the act of a good act of contrition that won't be
 sufficient we have to understand and I recall you know whitehead said
 understanding is the apperception of pattern as such because to fear death is
 to not understand what's going on and to even see it as a big deal is to not
 understand what's going on although I don't claim to have reached that
 exalted plane but cognitive activity is the defining fact of humanness language
 thought analysis art poetry myth-making these are the things that point the way
 toward the realm of being of the eschaton that is what Joyce means when
 he says man may become dirigible in other words man may be released into a
 realm of pure engineering the imagination is everything this was
 Blake's perception this is where we come from this is where we're going and it is
 only to be approached through cognitive activity I think
 well very briefly because I can I always have the feeling this part of bores
 people more than any other because it changes on tiny details but briefly the
 what the logo said to me was that time is not simply a homogeneous medium where
 things occur you can think of it as a fluctuating density of probability so
 that though we know science will tell us what can happen and what cannot happen
 we have no theory that explains why out of everything that could happen certain
 things undergo what whitehead called the formality of actually occur and this was
 what the logo sought to explain to me why out of all the myriad things that
 could happen certain things undergo the formality of occurring and it is because
 there is a hierarchical a modular hierarchy of waves of temporal
 conditioning or temporal density or in other words a given moment it is more
 likely for a certain event rated highly improbable it is more probable at some
 moments than others and taking that simple perception and being led by the
 hand by the logos we were able to construe maps of time which we run on a
 computer and which give a map of the ingression of what I call novelty the
 ingression of novelty into time now as a general statement it's obvious that
 novelty generally is increasing it has been since the very beginning of the
 universe because first there was only the possibility of nuclear interaction
 and then as temperatures fell and the below the bond strength of the nucleus
 atomic systems could be formed and then as temperature fell molecular systems
 could be formed then much later life became possible and then as very high
 life forms complex life forms evolved thought became possible culture was
 invented then with the invention of printing and language and then printing
 and then electronic information movement and this kind of thing what is happening
 is there is an ingression of novelty toward what whitehead and I took his
 term call concrescence and this is a tightening gyre everything is flowing
 together and in fact the the man-made lapis the alchemical stone at the end of
 time occurs when everything flows together when the laws of physics are
 obviated and the universe disappears and what is left is the tightly bound
 plenum the Monad if you wish able to express itself for itself rather than
 able only to cast a shadow into feisty says its reflection and I don't I speak
 I come very close here to classical millenarian and apocalyptic
 hearing and thought my view of the rate at which change is accelerating and the
 way the gyre is tightening causes me to think and the way it predicts this that
 it is not long it is soon 50 years 25 years 35 years then this event will
 occur it is the entry of the species into hyperspace but it will appear to be
 the collapse of the state vector and the end of physical laws and the release of
 the mind into itself and all these other images the starship the space colony all
 that these are precursors again the idea that history is the shockwave of
 eschatology as you close distance with the eschatological object the
 reflections it is throwing off become more and more true to the thing itself
 and in the final moment God stands revealed there are no more reflections
 of of the mystery the mystery in all its nakedness then is seen and nothing else
 exists but what this is decency can safely scarcely hint at
 you're listening to the psychedelic salon where people are changing their
 lives one thought at a time I don't know about you but I kind of like that part
 back there where Terence was talking about the body being the placenta of the
 soul and to be honest in my long battle to rid myself of the stories that had
 been drilled into my brain in Catholic school well I've more or less quit
 thinking in terms like soul but when Terence made that statement a while back
 it somehow resonated with the old memories or something and then it
 immediately combined with the thought of how old I seem to be getting so my first
 thought after that was hell if that's true I'd better get to work pretty soon
 or a very rough-edged soul is going to pop out of this body / placenta but when
 I think about it my soul or whatever we want to call it is probably in its best
 shape when I'm having a good time doing things like having a few tokes and
 listening to Terence McKenna so if that's what it takes then I'm not only
 up to it I'm all for it but you know back before that at least for me I think
 that Terence made the clearest statement about death that I've heard from him yet
 you remember what I'm talking about it was it was when he said that there may
 be a problem about death that the psychedelic experience helps to prepare
 you for and to tell the truth that's something that I've felt very deeply
 about for a long time now and while only a very few of my experiences were dark
 they all could be called explorations in the land after death I think something
 like that and I've also found that the transition from the time that you ingest
 the substance until you've reached the plateau well it can often be quite
 tricky and sometimes even brutal but after having gone through a wide range
 of these experiences I have to say that I've really lost all fear of dying - at
 least to the point where I've convinced myself that when my time comes I'll be
 able to sail on through that experience quite gently of course it's much easier
 for me to say that it doesn't bother me to think about dying because you know
 I've already had a life that's been really filled with fun and adventure and
 while I'm planning on being active for another 25 years or so I don't have the
 feeling that you know I really have to cling to life rather than just enjoy each
 day I have and I sure wish that I'd had this attitude earlier in life because
 it's a lot more enjoyable just taking a day-to-day and not trying to plan for a
 future that at least for me never actually got here the way I planned
 early on and I guess that after I think about it though the future that actually
 did get here for me is several orders of magnitude better than the one I
 originally planned for myself and I hope that holds true for you in your life as
 well now was it just me or near the end of this talk when Terrence was going into
 his rap about how the universe has constantly been increasing its novelty
 content that he began to sound almost like that crackpot creature who recently
 and quite wrongly predicted that the end of the world would take place on May 21st
 here's here's part of what Terrence said at the end of that rap and I quote it's
 not long it is soon 50 years 25 years 35 years then this event will occur and
 quote and the event that he was talking about of course was his somewhat poetic
 version of the eschaton now since this talk was given in 1982 I guess that
 means his prediction for the eschaton is sometime between 2007 and 2032 so I
 guess 2032 is the next end of the world date that Hollywood will be focusing on
 once we get to the end of 2012 however my wish for you is that you don't latch
 on to any of these end time prophecies no matter what their source unless I
 miss something never in the entire history of humanity has a prediction
 about the end of the world come true so I'm gonna go along with the odds and
 accepting the fact that the only eschaton that I'm ever going to
 experience is my own personal eschaton and outside of exercising and watching
 my diet I don't see a lot more that I can do about that one now on a little
 happier note I'm pleased to report of a recent return from the dead and that is
 the wonderful news that Xandor and Mrs. Z have got the grow report comm forums
 back online unfortunately the company where Xandor was hosting the forums
 didn't do proper backups and so all of the postings from last July until now
 have been lost and it's really a tragedy because there is a lot of very excellent
 discussion that took place in the forums in that time but past is past and now we
 can get back to those wonderful and very robust but without flaming discussions
 that the grow report comm is so famous for another positive announcement is
 that if like me you enjoy podcasts that aren't all talk but which also include
 music and comedy there are two that I highly recommend one is a relatively new
 podcast by the host of the weekly planet London radio live and interactive Sunday
 smoking sessions that you can find online and that's the one and only
 scooby snacks and he's been podcasting for a few months and already by his
 podcast number five he has reached what I think is a really high level of
 professionalism and that got me to go back and listen to his latest show more
 than once even now fast-forward another hundred podcasts and we get to my
 longtime variety podcast favorite lefties lounge and if you look at lefties
 listening on iTunes you'll see only a hundred and five podcasts of today for
 lefties lounge but I've been listening to lefty even before the lounge way back
 when he was doing a show called story time with lefty in fact I think I even
 called in and told a story or two on that one now if my memory serves me
 right I forgot to congratulate lefty on his hundredth program with his current
 lefties lounge show but I'm here to tell you 101 102 103 and onward each keep
 getting better so a belated congratulations lefty and keep them
 coming particularly the comedy which I think of as intellectual music for the
 soul you know I just couldn't imagine a world without comedy it would be a bleak
 world without music to be sure but who would want to live in a world without
 laughter not me and lefty always has a lot of good comedy which lately has been
 featuring some more clips from Joe Rogan who is one of my all-time favorite
 comedians and I think I've mentioned this before but Joe also has a podcast
 that you probably would like so check out lefty Joe and scooby snacks his
 podcast if you want some more really feel-good time each week finally I want
 to also point you to my friend KMO's podcast number 258 which is titled
 navigating the screaming abyss and features an interview that KMO did with
 Dennis McKenna in fact it was KMO who inspired me to title today's program
 with that interesting word of bis in it for as you know Dennis McKenna Terence's
 younger brother is about to begin writing a biography of his brother and
 is nearing the end of a Kickstarter campaign titled the brotherhood of the
 screaming abyss and I just checked Dennis's Kickstarter website and see
 that in the past week another hundred and twenty-one people have made pledges
 for this campaign but with only 11 days left before it closes he's still somewhat
 shorter the target amount so if you happen to get a little cash as a
 graduation present or something you might want to pay a little of it forward
 so that years from now when Dennis and the rest of the elders of that period
 are long gone their stories will still live on in our collective tribal memory
 well that's going to do it for now and so I'll close today's podcast by
 reminding you that this and most of the podcasts from the psychedelic salon are
 freely available for you to use in your own audio projects under the Creative
 Commons attribution non-commercial share alike 3.0 license and if you have any
 questions about that just click the Creative Commons link at the bottom of
 the psychedelic salon web page which you can get to via psychedelic salon dot us
 and if you are interested in the philosophy behind the salon you can hear
 something about it in my novel the Genesis Generation which is available as
 a pay what you can audiobook that you can download at Genesis generation dot
 us and for now this is Lorenzo signing off from cyber delic space be well my
 friends
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